I saw with my own eyes” -Rubin shows how Thaci always consulted the KLA command group when decisions had to be made.

He tells details about how Thaci got an opinion from other commanders.

There was about 30 of Mr. Thaci and I 39. We were both the youngest in the whole group, while the others were many times older than we were and I found out from the social aspect that he was attracted to and when he asked for information and knew how it worked. CK or the need to understand UCK's abilities better or when a decision was to be made on the part of U CK, Hashim Thaci had to address these command groups to obtain information, to obtain knowledge or location instructions. I've seen myself with my own eyes that he was attracted to as far as the matter of substance as I was concerned CK, but there was also some kind of disstation from them. My impression was that Thaci asked them to think about doing things, and they told him what to make and what answer Thaci gave”, Ruby said during his testimony.